Cooperstown Chronicles – Dave Stieb

Apr 11, 2008

Photo courtesy of TSN Archives/Icon SMI

Leafs7420, a friend of mine from Sporting News, wanted me to profile Dave Stieb.  Here are my findings. 

Illustration by Dave Lemanczyk

The Numbers
.562 Winning %
3.44 ERA (League ERA 4.21)
1669 Strikeouts
412 Starts
103 Complete Games
30 Shutouts

Playoffs: 5 Starts,1-3, 4.26 ERA, 31.2 Innings, 28 K’s

7 All-Star Appearances
1982 TSN Pitcher of the Year Award
Cy Young Votes in 4 Seasons
MVP Votes in 3 Seasons

Top Ten Finishes
Wins – Seven times
ERA – Six times (Led league in 1985)
Winning % – Four times
Strikeouts – Five times
Complete Games – Five times (Led league in 1982)
Shutous – Nine times (Led league in 1982)
Starts – Eight times
Innings – Five times (Led league in 1982 & 1984)

Dave Stieb was a solid pitcher.  He had six seasons with at least 16 wins.  However, he never cracked the 20 win mark.  He made a bunch of All-Star games, but he never finished higher than 4th in Cy Young voting.  He never struck out 200 batters in a season.  He didn’t pick up his play in the playoffs.  He wa a great Blue Jay, and he more than deserves to have his number retired and to be in their Hall of Fame.  However, he’s far from worthy of Cooperstown. 

Baseball Reference

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12 Responses so far | Have Your Say!

  1. Luis
    April 11th, 2008 at 2:11 pm #

    very true… he totally deserves his number retired by the jays but that might be the highest honor he receives. heck, i might even go as far as saying he is the jays best pitcher of all time (a list i’m sure halladay will join when he’s done). he was a solid pitcher for many years but not worthy.

  2. Ryan Lester
    April 11th, 2008 at 2:16 pm #

    Luis – great points. He was the best blue jay pitcher with Jimmy Key behind him and Doc Halladay closing in.

  3. Larry Novak
    April 11th, 2008 at 8:26 pm #

    He just didn’t have the WOW seasons, And also he just was not good enough long enough.

  4. Ryan Lester
    April 11th, 2008 at 9:50 pm #

    Agree Larry.

  5. Davestiebslider
    June 14th, 2008 at 4:53 pm #

    No,he doesn’t belong in the HOF but his slider does. I don’t think anyone will ever throw one like that again (cut fastball has replaced the slider for most) and I doubt any had thrown it so hard breaking before him. The Jay who belongs in the HOF is Tony Fernandez. I called into the fan once and asked Swirsky what he thought,he obviously doesn’t know much about baseball based on his response. Gold gloves in a time when he had Trammel and Ripken (amongst others) to beat out,his post season batting average is awesome and he is a pioneer of the game from the Dominican perspective,he should be in but sadly,that will never happen.

  6. LestersLegends
    June 14th, 2008 at 9:06 pm #

    Good point about Tony. I’m on the fence with him though. Thanks for commenting.

  7. Mike
    January 22nd, 2009 at 9:49 am #

    Not Hall worthy by his numbers, but don’t forget his most dominating years were for a new/young franchise that was horrible to mediocre at best. Heck, he had a season with an ERA of 2.48 and went 14-13 that year.

  8. LestersLegends
    January 22nd, 2009 at 11:15 am #

    Great point Mike.

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  10. Anthony
    June 8th, 2009 at 5:19 pm #

    My gosh. Is Dave Stieb a Hall Of Famer? Borderline, but not really. He’s better than Jack Morris. Wins are a bad stat. Jack Morris goes 21-6 with a 4.00 plus ERA and Stieb goes 14-13 with a 2.48….Hm…..I think I’ll take Stieb in those years since he gives my team a MUCH greater chance to win. STieb > Morris career-wise. Stieb will never get in, but he was a better pitcher in the 1980′s and a better pitcher for their careers. Stieb had a career E.R.A. MUCH lower than Morris (122 ERA+ to 105 ERA+; IP differential isn’t enough)

  11. LestersLegends
    June 8th, 2009 at 5:53 pm #

    Jack Morris had a ton of Wins AND great postseason performances.

  12. Aaron
    June 19th, 2010 at 5:03 pm #

    If Stieb never got hurt or got some run support then his numbers would have been way better and we wouldnt be talking about him being a maybe for the hall. He would be in it. He had some nasty stuff; thats for sure. He could very well have 5 no-nos. He had back to back no-no bids broken up with 2 outs in the 9th. Not many have done that. His slider was filthy and at times made hitters look like they had no clue. Too bad he got hurt.

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