Cooperstown Chronicles – Joe Torre

Oct 11, 2008


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The Veterans Committee is going to vote on twenty players for induction into the Hall of Fame.  There are ten players pre-1943 and ten post-1943.  Today I profile Joe Torre from that group.

The Numbers
Played 1960-1977 (18 seasons)
2209 Games
7874 At Bats
.297 Batting Average
996 Runs
2342 Hits
344 Doubles
59 Triples
252 HRs
1185 RBI
779 Walks
23 SBs

Two  200+ Hit Seasons
Two 30+ Double Seasons
One 30+ HR Seasons
Five 100+ RBI Seasons

Awards
1971 MVP
1971 Hutch Award
1971 Major League Player of the Year
1 Gold Glove
9 All-Star Game appearances
MVP Votes in 7 Seasons

Top Ten Finishes
Batting Average - 4 Times (1971 Batting Title)
On-Base % - 4 Times
Slugging % - 3 Times 
OPS - 4 Times
Games – Three Times (Led league in 1970)
At Bats – Twice
Runs – Once
Hits - 4 Times (Led league in 1971)
Total Bases - 4 Times (Led league in 1971)
Doubles – Twice
Triples – Twice
HRs – Once
RBI – 4 Times (Led league in 1971)
Extra-Base hits - 3 Times
Intentional Walks – 4 Times
Hit by Pitch – 7 Times

Hall of Fame Yardsticks:
Black Ink: Batting – 12 (192) (Average HOFer ≈ 27)
Gray Ink: Batting – 71 (336) (Average HOFer ≈ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting – 39.9 (148) (Average HOFer ≈ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting – 96.0 (159) (Likely HOFer > 100)


Managerial Record
2151 Wins – 1848 Losses
.538 Winning %
4 World Series Rings
12 Division Titles
13 Playoff Appearances
1996 & 1998 Manager of the Year

As a player, he’s close.  His 903 games at Catcher make his above-average numbers a little more meaningful.  He won an MVP giving him a signature season.  He made a ton of All-Star games.  Unfortunatey he never made the postseason as a player.  To say he made up for it as a Manager is quite the understatement.  He was the steadying force behind the Yankee’s late nineties Dynasty.  He won four World Series and two Managers of the Year.  He was shown the door in New York only to move on to L.A. leading the Dodgers to an NL West title.  He’s clearly a no-brainer Hall of Famer when you factor in his playing days and his Manageral record.

References
Baseball-reference.com

Past Chronicles
Dick Allen
Roberto Alomar
Richie Ashburn*
Earl Averill*
Harold Baines

Dan Bancroft*
Jake Beckley*

Albert Belle
Jim Bottomley*
Pete Browning

Jim Bunning *
Bert Byleven
Joe Carter
Orlando Cepeda*
Rocky Colavito
Earle Combs*
Dave Concepcion
David Cone
Roger Connor*
Larry Corcoran

Mike Cuellar
George Davis*
Andre Dawson
Larry Doby*
Bobby Doerr*
Jimmie Dykes (Player/Manager)
Dwight Evans
Rick Ferrell*
Chuck Finley
Steve Finley
Nellie Fox*
John Franco

Gary Gaetti
Steve Garvey
Lefty Gomez*
Luis Gonzalez
Dwight Gooden
Mark Grace
Bobby Grich
Charlie Grimm (Player/Manager)
Ron Guidry
Chick Hafey*

Billy Herman*
Keith Hernandez
Orel Hershiser
Whitey Herzog (Manager)
Gil Hodges
Ralph Houk (Manager)
Shoeless Joe Jackson
Travis Jackson*
Tommy John
Bob Johnson
Addie Joss*
Jim Kaat
George Kell*
Joe Kelley*
George Kelly*
Tom Kelly (Manager)
Chuck Klein*
Jerry Koosman
Bill James & Pete Palmer
Barry Larkin
Tony Lazzeri*
Freddie Lindstrom*
Mickey Lolich
Ernie Lombardi*
Fred Lynn
Sherry Magee

Roger Maris
Rube Marquard*
Billy Martin (Player/Manager)
Dennis Martinez
Edgar Martinez
Bobby Matthews
Don Mattingly
Gene Mauch (Manager)
Bill Mazeroski*
Fred McGriff

Mark McGwire
Bid McPhee
Johnny Mize*
Paul Molitor*
Jack Morris
Tony Mullane
Dale Murphy
Graig Nettles
Hal Newhouser*
Lefty O’Doul
Tony Oliva
Al Oliver

Buck O’Neill & Minnie Minoso
Dave Parker
Wes Parker
Lance Parrish
Vada Pinson
Boog Powell
Tim Raines
Willie Randolph
Pee Wee Reese*
Jim Rice
Phil Rizzuto*
Brooks Robinson*
Pete Ro$e
Amos Rusie*
Jimmy Ryan
Ron Santo
Curt Schilling
Red Schoendienst* (Player/Manager)
Ted Simmons
Enos Slaughter*
Lee Smith
Rusty Staub
Dave Stieb
Mel Stottlemyre
Harry Stovey
Sam Thompson
Luís Tiant
Alan Trammell

George Van Haltren
Arky Vaughan*
Mo Vaughn
Bobby Veach
Frank Viola
Mickey Welch*
Lou Whitaker
Bernie Williams
Vic Willis*
Maury Wills 
Hack Wilson*
Ross Youngs*
Veterans Committee Ballot
 

* Signifies actual Hall of Famer

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9 Responses so far | Have Your Say!

  1. Larry Novak
    October 11th, 2008 at 4:43 pm #

    Perfectly said.

  2. LestersLegends
    October 11th, 2008 at 5:22 pm #

    Thanks Larry. There is so much more that can be said about the man, but I felt why make the case when there isn’t a case to be made. It’s simple. Joe Torre belongs in the HOF.

  3. Brad
    October 11th, 2008 at 8:36 pm #

    I think that Torre is good enough to get in the hall as a player, but you are right when you say that his managerial record definitely gets him in.

    Nice work.

  4. LestersLegends
    October 11th, 2008 at 8:47 pm #

    Brad – as a player, not before Ted Simmons.

  5. LEV
    October 12th, 2008 at 8:10 am #

    yeah, i think he’s close as a player (he suffers from plaing in the same era as Johnny Bench), but becomes a no-brainer when you count his managerial record. 4 titles in 10 years at the helm would be enough to get any manager in-let alone somone who has a compelling case as a player.

  6. LestersLegends
    October 12th, 2008 at 8:24 am #

    Totally agree LEV

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