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So Awesome and The Legend are going to step into the Fantasy Football Cage Match.  This time nobody is coming out…until the end of the year.  You heard it.  16 Weeks of head-to-head matchups.  We’ll find out who is the ultimate champion.

Awesome had the first pick in the two-team snake draft.  Here’s how the rosters turned out (in order of round selected).

Awesome
LT
Brady
Moss
Addai
S-Jax
Witten
Marion the Barbarian Barber
Housh
Brandon Marshall
Ryan Grant
Frank Gore
Torry Holt
Andre Johnson
MJD
Anquan Boldin
NE DEF

Strategy:  So my basic strategy for this draft was to grab LT, and stack up on top WRs.  That strategy went out the window when The Legend grabbed 4 WRs in Rounds 3-6, which left me scrambling.  To compensate for that I didn’t take a QB, instead opting to draft RBs and WRs that were a little more risky but with bigger upside, like Andre Johnson or MJD, hoping that one or more of those guys overperforms their draft position and/or doesn’t get hurt, and ends up being closer to the top in scoring at their respective postion.  Of course, it may not matter at all unless some of the studs get hurt or really underperform. 

The Legend
AP
Brian Westbrook
T.O.
Reggie Wayne
Braylon Edward
Colston
Romo
Marshawn Lynch
Brees
Fitz
Portis
LJ
Winslow
Gates
Jamal Lewis
MN DEF

Strategy:  In the first two rounds I went with the Killer RB Combo of AP and Westbrook to offset the LT dominance.  With my next four picks I decided to stock up on Top End WRs since they come with less question marks than the Kickers.  I turned to Romo because he easily could be the top fantasy QB this year.  I added Lynch because he’s a dynamic young RB.  Then I took Brees because I feel he’ll be playing more meaningful games at the end of the year than Romo.  I grabbed Fitzy because he was the best available.  I turned to a duo of RBs that get carries between the 20s as well as at the stripe.  I then grabbed two top notch Tight Ends because I didn’t think I could wait on either one and have the top backup in a two-man league.  Ithen took Jamal Lewis because he gets the ball between the 20s and at the stripe.  I finished with MN D because they should be rock solid, especially when you consider the QBs they face.  We didn’t take Kickers because they suck and we eliminated them.

Time for another Fantasy Football Cage Match.  We have a new challenger, Majesty, to mix it up with Awesome.  Today they debate Marion Barber III.

The Fantasy Cage Match (of the Century, Decade, Day, or Minute, etc.) 
Awesome vs. Majesty

In a no holds barred – they may even rip on each other’s children—contest of wit and sarcasm (or lack thereof), in a 15 foot tall steel cage laced with barbed wire and surrounded by super-hot, scantily clad Terrorist chicks ready to douse the loser with anthrax. (Pause for mental image to set in).

Who will win? I think it was JFK or Jesus who said: It’s not whether you win or lose, but how many people you step on and offend during the course of the game.


“I may not be right, I’m not politically correct, and I’m probably going to offend you in some way, but I’m always AWESOME.”

The Fantasy Football Cage Match:
Position:  Running Back
Player:  Marion Barber III
Stance:  Pro
 
By:  Awesome

New challenger, same result: meat. Ok meat, let’s go.

Does this guy belong in the top 10 RB’s?? The answer is…NO.

HE BELONGS IN THE TOP 3!!!  So, I guess, technically, the answer is “yes,” but I had to do that for effect. Anyway, the only two I would rank ahead of him are LT, and Addai. And because this is the first thing you’ll want to spew at me, let’s dismiss the other “candidates” before we go on to Barber (don’t worry, this won’t take long).

Adrian Peterson:
You’ll get the full frontal nude attack on Peterson from me in a few days, but here’s the abbreviated edition for those of you have trouble talking to the opposite sex. He’s played less than 1 full year in the NFL because he was injured; he has a history of being injury prone (see where this is going? Yeah, 1 + 1 = YOU’RE STUPID); ankles and knees help you run, and your collar bone… never mind) ; out of the 14 games he actually did play, he had 2 really great games( won your fantasy matchup for you), 4 good games (at least 100 yds & TD, or equivalent), 3 average games (100 yds or less, 0 TDs), and 5 really terrible games (you counted on him, and he lost you the game, including week 16). Hmmm, which one of those numbers is biggest? We’re done here.

Larry Johnson:
Or should I call him “The 1-1/2 Year Wonder”? That’s right, and I won’t get into as much detail because there aren’t as many people on his bandwagon this year, but guess what? Without an Offensive Line, the RB sucks. That’s it.

Brian Westbrook:
Also known as “Captain Injured”. He has NEVER, repeat NEVER played ONE FULL SEASON!!! True, he’s come close, and when he plays, he’s good—really good. But like Peterson, he’s all or nothing. And however good you think he has been, his TD totals for his career read like this (from most recent): 12, 11, 7, 9, 11, 0. Yep. I’ll let that sink in for a second. WOW! Or, as my two year old just learned to say: THAT’S AMAZING!!! That’s actually very average, maybe slightly above average. Either way, he’s a headache and you’ll get burned a few times every year.  You can have him.

Steven Jackson:
Give me a break. The guy had one year of really good numbers, and guess what? During that year, 9 of his “THAT’S AMAZING” TDs all came in weeks 12-17 (yes, 3 TDs in week 17), which means he didn’t even get you into the playoffs, so it doesn’t matter that he won them for you — unless you aim to win the toilet bowl every year, because that’s the trophy he won you.

Who else…Frank Gore? Sure, why not:
TDs (again) most recent: 6, 9, and 3. THAT’S AMAZING!!!. And it’s not like you’ll have to worry about him getting hurt, or playing is a game time decision. ‘Nuff said.

Ok, now let’s get to Barber.

If you like fantasy football, you should also like players who score touchdowns, also called “TDs” (and no, this isn’t the same thing your girlfriend/wife/ex-wife gave you, those are “STDs”). And TDs are worth 6 points. BAM! POW! ZAP!  Just like that! 6 points! Yep, that’s how it works. And don’t whine to me about “well, I get 1 pt for every 10 yards blah blah blah, and so Frank Gore is worth more because blah blah blah,” I don’t care. 6 is worth more than 1, period. At least that’s how my league scores it. And if your league scores it differently, sign me up and increase the entry fee.

And  over the last two years, he racked up 26 TDs, and he did it while sharing time with Julius “not Peppers” Jones, who had (stole) 267 and 166 carries in 2006 & 2007, respectively (not really). Give Barber most of those carries (I’m sure Felix will get some of them, especially in blowouts), and you’ve got your yardage totals that put him in the top 3 by the end of the year.

Let’s remember, the best thing that happened to Marion Barber owners was “The Big D” getting rid of that fossil Bill Parcels.  Parcels is one of those ancient white guys who just hates, HATES to admit when he’s wrong. Sure, he’s a great coach and all, or at least he was; and yes, he deserves a certain amount of respect. But I’ll give him that respect when I see him standing behind my Grandfather in the cafeteria line at the old folks’ home, balancing his tray full of strained peas in one hand, and his oxygen tank in the other. Parcels is the only reason Barber had to share the workload the last two years, despite Julius Jones making a very strong case for his own dismissal. And make no mistake, Julius Jones was his guy. That’s why they kept trying to work him in, Parcels didn’t want to admit he drafted the wrong guy; or possibly, if Jones does what he looks like he’s going to do in Seattle, Parcels just wasn’t willing to write his playbook around Jones’ particular skill-set(s), and the mesh didn’t fit.

Regardless, Barber is the only car in the garage now, and it’s his race to win or lose. He’ll be given the chance. Sure, Felix Jones is there to remind Barber that he may not have much room for error, but really, there’s no way the Cowboys are going to willingly give the running game to a rookie. Not with this team; this team is EXPECTED to make a run for the Super Bowl (if not win it outright), and you don’t go into Vegas or Dallas or anywhere in Texas for that matter with that swagger, confidence that borders on cockiness, with “??s” about your running game. Especially in Dallas, where, historically, they won each and every ring with a great Running Back leading the way. And the Cowboys were confident enough in Barber to let Jones move to the Northwest. Given who’s run for the Jerry Jones in the past, if he’s comfortable letting Barber take the reins in this year’s quest for a ring, then so am I.

Done.

The Fantasy Football Cage Match:
Position:  Running Back
Player:  Marion Barber III
Stance:  Con
By:  Majesty

A reporter from the Dallas Morning News had this to say about a Dallas running back: “They’re going to get him the ball in space and give him opportunities to make one guy miss and take it to the house. He gives Dallas a game-breaker in the backfield like they haven’t had in years because he has such big-play potential.”

That player was not named Marion Barber III. Thus, Barber’s claim to his team’s #1 RB position is not without question. Whether or not he should hold your team’s #1 RB spot has a simple answer: No.

What you want out of your top RB is performances that will lead to victories week in, week out. Let’s check out Mr. Barber’s consistency.

Carries:
In 2007, he averaged 12.75 carries per game with a standard deviation of 4.78. That is, you’d expect him to get anywhere from 8 to 18 carries per game. Compare that against guys like Thomas Jones (19), Fred Taylor (15), Edgerrin James (20), Justin Fargas (16) and LenDale White (19). What you can see is that his better games for carries are sub-par for most of those others. Notice that I’m not comparing him to guys like LT, Adrian Peterson, Steven Jackson, Brian Westbrook, etc.

Yards:
In 2007, he averaged 60.94 yards per game with a standard deviation of 31.97. So in a given week, him getting 30 yards is just as likely as 90 yards. Comparing against the same people:

Jones (70/game, sd of 32)
Taylor (80/game, sd of 34)
James (76/game, sd of 26)
Fargas (72/game, sd of 53)
White (69/game, sd of 34)

So he’s not quite as consistent as James, and on par with Taylor, Jones and White. He does appear to be more consistent than Fargas, but note that Fargas had two games in which he had a total of 3 carries and 13 yards, which elevates his standard deviation and lowers his average. The problem is that while he matches their consistency, it shows that he consistently has fewer yards than them.

Now, the biggest reason his numbers are lower is the running back by committee system. One might wonder why he hasn’t been handed the lead role. Well, the rap on Barber is that he runs really hard. Admittedly, the perk of this is the ability to get the tough yards in either red zone. His most impressive run last year was for two yards, and it was in the end zone, though he didn’t get a touchdown on it. The downside of it is that when you run that hard, you wear yourself out. The team wants you to still have some fuel in the tank for those short yardage situations late in the game. Translation: A limited number of carries.

The most evident reason to not name Marion Barber your #1 RB is because of that dreaded running back by committee. After getting rid of Julius Jones (164 carries last year vs. Barber’s 204) in the offseason, it looked like MB3 would have things all to himself. Yet it looks as though he still might share carries with Jones. Not that Jones, the other Jones! Felix Jones played second fiddle to Darren McFadden in college, and still put up solid numbers there. Clearly he knows how to make most out of the second spot.

Speaking of McFadden, before the NFL draft there’d been some talk about Dallas wanting to trade up to get McFadden, even if it meant dealing Barber. The fact that they even considered a move like that illustrates that the team just isn’t sold on the guy as their top back. If his employer isn’t ready to depend on him to be their #1 player, neither should you.

Lester’s Ruling
Well, this is basically a draw to me.  I don’t see MB3 as a top 3 RB, but I do feel he is worthy of being a #1 RB.  The thing I like about Barber is his TD production.  He’ll still have to share carries with Felix Jones, but the red zone is his.  Barber basically has a free pass when he gets down there because you have to worry about T.O. and Witten.  Jones will have to break off a long run to reach paydirt.  If pressed to choose I’d say Awesome wins this by a hair.
 

We’re going to try something a little different here at LestersLegends today.  I have asked a couple of friends to put their two cents in.  I did it in part because they are solid fantasy football minds, but mainly because their off-the-wall twisted humor should give you a unique perspective when you’re prepping for the fantasy football season.

The Fantasy Cage Match (of the Century, Decade, Day, or Minute, etc.) 
Awesome vs. Captain Fantastic

In a no holds barred – they may even rip on each other’s children—contest of wit and sarcasm (or lack thereof), in a 15 foot tall steel cage laced with barbed wire and surrounded by super-hot, scantily clad Terrorist chicks ready to douse the loser with anthrax. (Pause for mental image to set in).  Who will win? I think it was JFK or Jesus who said: It’s not whether you win or lose, but how many people you step on and offend during the course of the game.



 “I may not be right, I’m not politically correct, and I’m probably going to offend you in some way, but I’m always AWESOME.”    

The Fantasy Football Cage Match:
Position: 
Quarterback
Player:  Peyton Manning
Stance:  Pro
By:  Awesome

Ok, so when we do these things, these “Fantasy Cage Matches” as I’ve come to call them (it took all of 12 seconds to come up with that brilliant bit of marketing, and if I use my imagination, I can think of waaaay more interesting people to put in a cage, but that’s another topic for another day), we try and make it challenging, ideally for both arguments. The general presumption is that you, the informed reader/fantasy junkie, have at least an IQ of, say 125, and that you’re not looking for what everyone else is saying (with maybe the exception of Fanball. Maybe ). We try to pick players that are still “on the fence” in your mind. Obviously, something has gone terribly awry here.
 

If you think I would want waste my time writing about how Peyton Manning is one of the best QBs in fantasy football (and in the history of the NFL), you’ve come to the wrong place (Starbucks is around the corner), because anyone with half a brain knows that already. This is obviously my counterpart’s selection, in that he wanted the challenge of taking the “con” argument for (or against, as it were) Payton Manning, which, I’ll give him, is certainly a challenge.

What he isn’t taking into account is that I’m not going to waste anyone’s time (especially mine) telling you how great Peyton Manning is, and why he should be your #1 or #2 QB (#1 if you want the sure thing, #2 if you’re willing to risk it that Brady can/’t repeat).

HE’S PEYTON FREAKING MANNING. There’s nothing else to say.

I hope he makes an interesting case for why you shouldn’t want him on your team. Honestly, I can’t see how he could make you believe it, but he may make it interesting.

Captain Fantastic, as always, nice work. Keep it up. You make me look good, and I love that.

This article is over. 


The Fantasy Football Cage Match
:
Position: 
Quarterback
Player:  Peyton Manning
Stance:  Pro
By:  Captain Fantastic

 

Betting against Peyton is like finding faith and choosing scientology.  Everyone is bound to think you have gone loony toons.   I balk at the fact I have to say something bad about a guy with a dopey looking brother, a retard redneck father and a muti-million dollar bank account.  I think this is the year that Jim Sorgi follows through with the plan which will find Peyton stuck in North Korea wearing an I heart Osama Bin Laden tee shirt.
 

Projection: 38 touchdowns and 4400 yards passing.
  
 

Lester’s Ruling
Well, I’ll rule this one an incomplete because neither combatants decided to take the con approach.  Talk about a bunch of wimps.  Wait, what’s this?  Doing a Jimmy “Superfly” Snuka leap from the top of the cage is “The Legend”.  Since either you guys are too scared to take the con stance or too dumb to understand the difference between a pro and a con, I’ll take it from here. 

  
The Fantasy Football Cage Match:
Position: 
Quarterback
Player:  Peyton Manning
Stance:  Con
By:  The Legend

You can draft Peyton Manning if you want to, but that’s like guaranteeing you won’t win your fantasy championship.  Sure, you’ll have a good regular season record, but when it comes time to lift the trophy, you’ll be sulking at what could have been. 

Manning has averaged 4163 passing yards and 30.6 TDS (vs. 15.3 INTs) in his career.  Who wouldn’t want those lofty numbers?  If you dig a little deeper and compare his Week 16 (Fantasy Football Super Bowl Week) stats over the past three years (average of 210 yards, 2 TDs) and five years (232, 1.6 TDs) and you can see why having Peyton Manning at your main gunslinger may not be the best way to build a Championship Team.  Sure a postseason appearance is important, and a runner-up usually brings home some bacon, but we’re in it for fantasy glory.  Nobody wants to finish second.  The money is nice, but the satisfaction of winning it all (plus the additional winnings) leaves runner up at the starting line.  So go ahead and take Peyton with your early pick.  You’ll make one of your leaguemates happy and rich!

 

 

 

We’re going to try something a little different here at LestersLegends today.  I have asked a couple of friends to put their two cents in.  I did it in part because they are solid fantasy football minds, but mainly because their off-the-wall twisted humor should give you a unique perspective when you’re prepping for the fantasy football season.

The Fantasy Cage Match (of the Century, Decade, Day, or Minute, etc.) 
Awesome vs. Captain Fantastic

 
In a no holds barred – they may even rip on each other’s children—contest of wit and sarcasm (or lack thereof), in a 15 foot tall steel cage laced with barbed wire and surrounded by super-hot, scantily clad Terrorist chicks ready to douse the loser with anthrax. (Pause for mental image to set in).
 
Who will win? I think it was JFK or Jesus who said: It’s not whether you win or lose, but how many people you step on and offend during the course of the game.

 
 “I may not be right, I’m not politically correct, and I’m probably going to offend you in some way, but I’m always AWESOME.”  

The Fantasy Football Cage Match:
Position:  Quarterback
Player:  Big Ben Roethlisberger
Stance:  Con 
By:  Awesome

“Excuse me, waitress? We’d like to order now.”
“Ok (jerk), and my name is Vivian, not ‘waitress’ thanks.”
“Ok, sorry toots.”
“What can I get you?”
“Well, I’m looking to totally screw up my QB situation this year, and I’d really like to come in dead last in my league.”
“Do you at least want to make the playoffs?”
“Hell no, I’m going Detroit style, better than them if possible–I’m going for perfection…the goose egg.”
“Ok, well, then I’ve got just the thing, and it’s on special today: What you want is the Big Ben Worthless Burger, well done, with extra onions and jalapenos so it burns on the way out.”
“Ok, great, I’ll have that.”

The preceding situation hasn’t happened…yet. But it will, if you select Big Ben as your starting QB this year. Ok, I’m not saying I can’t imagine a situation where he is your starting QB: If he slips to the 13th round, for example, by all means, grab him up, because he’s now a value pick.  But if you’re one of those sentimental losers who thinks he’s going to bring the steel curtain some frequent flyer miles, you’re dumber than Big Ben on a Ducati.  Is he a good QB? Sure he is, in real life. But in fantasyland, he stinks.  What’s that you say? Look at last year? Oh, hey, wait a minute; you’re right…he did have a pretty good year last year. Hmmm.  32 TDs, that’s pretty good. Only 11 picks, that’s good too. Maybe he can repeat it, ya? I mean, don’t most players have a year EXACTLY LIKE THE YEAR BEFORE??? Especially when they did only half as good FOR 3 YEARS IN A ROW? And one of those years his team won a super bowl???  See people, Big Ben had what we smart people call a “fluke” season. Meaning that in all probability, it won’t happen again. Could it? Sure, and Haley’s Comet could come crashing through my bosses office window in 5 minutes too, but it probably won’t.  And here’s why.

 

First off, there’s this thing in Pittsburgh that they like a lot. And they actually are known for it, historically, over decades. It’s won them several super bowls, and gotten them the reputation as a “smash mouth” or “tough” team. It’s called “a running game.” And Pitt is, almost always, right up there in the top running games. It’s more than just a philosophy to the Steelers, it’s practically a religion; eat your vitamins, work hard, and most importantly ESTABLISH THE RUN. Defense certainly comes in a close second, but the ground game is what’s gotten them to paradise before, and it will again. If Terry Bradshaw can win 4 Super bowls while throwing 212 TDs vs. 210 INTs, you damn well know it wasn’t the QB who got them there. Sure, the Steel Curtain closed down many-a-offense in the 70’s, but the offense had to score some points. And despite what all you Lynn Swan backers say, they didn’t do it in the air, they did it on the ground.  And that’s how they did it in 2005, when Big Ben led them there. Was he what they needed to get there? You bet he was, but not because he put up great fantasy numbers. Here were his numbers for that “magical” year, 2005: 268 pass attempts, 168 completions (62.7%, not a bad percentage, but I think John Daley threw up more than 268 times that year), 17 TDs, 9 INTs, 98.6 QB rating (and if you’re in a league where they score the QB rating, go ahead and kill yourself). Oh, and he rushed for a killer 69 yards on 31 attempts, for a 2.2 average, and 1 TD, stats only Cedric Benson is envious of.  And that’s what the Steelers want out of Big Ben. They want a running game. They love to run. They don’t need Ben to do anything other than manage the game and not screw it up. A couple big plays here and there to throw off opposing Defenses, to reinforce the ground game, that’s all they need from Roethlisberger . Would they like it if Big Ben tossed another 30+ TDs and 4,000 yards? Sure they would. But only if they win the Super Bowl too, because I guarantee you, the fine people of Pittsburg will demand a running game if they don’t win. And make no mistake, they didn’t have a running game last year, and they didn’t win. And in Pittsburgh, they expect to win, every year. 

Let’s also take a look at the Passing game, since that’s where Benji would score points if he were going to.  Hines Ward. Great player in the past, and I’m sure he’ll make one hell of a shuffle board player next year, after he has hip surgery and checks into an expensive retirement facility. But he’s done. Some people will have expectations of him this year, and he’ll try his hardest, give it all he has, because he has a great work ethic. But I’m pretty sure they don’t allow players to carry oxygen tanks on the field, and those little tennis balls on his walker are going to have to slow him down a little. Have a Wild Turkey Manhattan to wash down that Lipitor Hines, you’ve earned it.  But they have some youth in the WR corps, too, right?  Sure, Santonio Holmes showed some potential, I’ll give him that. But what smart people like in a WR is consistency, not the guy who will win you 1 game by getting 110 yards and 2 TDs, and then gets 53, 13, and 34 yards respectively  (I guess) with 0 TDs in 3 out of the next 4 games which is exactly what Santonio did last year (and yes, I had him, and thanks again Holmes). That guy is called a “dud,” and filling your team with duds is a sure fire way to go 5-9, and walk away with yet another toilet bowl trophy.  And the TE in Pitt will never, repeat NEVER be a factor in fantasy Football on a regular basis, so I’m not even going to bother. 

As I said from the beginning, this doesn’t mean you can’t have Big Ben on your team. I’d love to have him on my team, but only as a backup, in case my real quarterback gets hurt or has a bye. So I guess if you’ve read through all this (assuming you know what all the words mean), and you still want to draft him as a top QB, the only thing I have left to say to you is this: we have an open spot in my league, and I’d love to “compete” against you. 

 

The Fantasy Football Cage Match:
Position:  Quarterback
Player:  Big Ben Roethlisberger
Stance:  Pro
By:  Captain Fantastic

Roethlisberger’s 32 Touchdowns in 2007 put him in the top ten conversation for 2008.  NFL “experts” have said Pittsburgh will be getting back to “Steeler” football.  Yeah, this is not my Dad’s NFL anymore and most teams have taken a liking to the forward pass.   Pittsburgh’s questionable Offensive Line could mean the Offense will be in catch-up mode most Sundays.  Big Ben will be a good pick in your line draft and a value pick in your auctions.   

Projection 1: 34 touchdowns and 3,700 yards passing 
Projection 2: Awesome will have a newly discovered STD by the time this hits the internet.  When you are humping a
platypus all the time, the itchy bumps downstairs are bound to happen. 

Lester’s Ruling

Well, this round goes to Awesome.  He presented a great argument with solid reasoning.  It helps that I totally agree with his position.  I think Big Ben comes back to Earth this year.  He had great TD numbers last year, but his yardage was alarming.  If he throws for 20% fewer TDs with similar yardage numbers, there will likely be eight higher scoring QBs than Big Ben (who will likely be the 4th-6th QB selected).  


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