harper and zimmerman
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It’s always fun to generate and debate lists. We’ll continue with the All-2000 to Present Nationals/Expos Lineup.
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C – Wilson Ramos
1B – Adam LaRoche
2B – Jose Vidro
3B – Ryan Zimmerman
SS – Ian Desmond
RF – Vladimir Guerrero
LF – Jayson Werth
CF – Bryce Harper
SP – Max Scherzer
SP – Stephen Strasburg
SP – Gio Gonzalez
SP – Jordan Zimmermann
SP – Tanner Roark
Closer – Chad Cordero
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Atlanta Braves
Baltimore Orioles
Boston Red Sox
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
Houston Astros
Kansas City Royals
Los Angeles Angels
Miami Marlins
Minnesota Twins
New York Mets
New York Yankees
Oakland A’s
Philadelphia Phillies
Seattle Mariners
Tampa Bay Rays
Texas Rangers
Toronto Blue Jays

It’s time to head to Washington via Montreal.

Face of the Franchise:
tim-raines
Tim Raines
Image courtesy of Andrea Lavoie

Manager: Felipe Alou

C – Gary Carter
1B – Andres Galarraga
2B – Jose Vidro
3B – Tim Wallach
SS – Orlando Cabrera
OF – Tim Raines
OF – Andre Dawson
OF – Vladimir Guerrero
DH – Warren Cromartie
Bench:  Util Bob Bailey, Util Hubie Brooks, 3B Larry Parrish, OF Rondell “Ron-DL” White

SP – Dennis Martinez
SP – Steve Rogers
SP – Bryn Smith
SP – Bill Gullickson
SP – Pedro Martinez
P – Ken Hill
P – Jeff Fassero
P – Steve Renko
P – Javier Vazquez
RP – Tim Burke
RP – John Wetteland
RP – Jeff Reardon

That’s the team I came up with. Do you have any changes you’d like to suggest? I’m always open to them.

Past Teams
Yankees
Red Sox
Rays
Orioles
Blue Jays
Twins
White Sox
Indians
Tigers
Royals
Angels
Rangers
Mariners
A’s
Phillies
Braves
Marlins

Eric Stashin the Rotoprofessor and I have decided to team up and debate Tim Raines’ Hall of Fame worthiness.

Numbers
2502 Games (50th All-time)
8872 At Bats (70th ll-time)
1571 Runs (49th All-time)
.294 Batting Average
.385 On-base %
.425 Slugging %
2605 Hits (71th All-time)
430 Doubles
113 Triples
170 Home Runs
980 RBI
1330 Walks (33rd All-time)
148 Intentional Walks (44th All-time)
808 Stolen Bases (5th All-time)

Five .300+ Seasons
Six 100+ Run Seasons
Six 30+ Double Seasons
Two 10+ Triple Seasons
Twelve 30+ SB Seasons
 Eleven 40+ SB Seasons
  Eight 50+ SB Seasons
   Six 70+ SB Seasons
    One 90 SB Season

Playoffs: 34 Games, 34 hits in 126 at bats (.270), 18 Runs, 7 Doubles, 1 HR, 6 RBI, 14 Walks, 3 Steals, 1 World Series Ring

Awards
1987 All-Star Game MVP
1986 Silver Slugger
7 All-Star Game Appearances
MVP Votes in 7 Seasons

Top Ten Finishes
Batting Average – Four Times (Batting Crown in 1986)
On-Base % – Seven Times (Led league in 1986)
Slugging % – Once
OPS – Four Times
Games – Once
At-Bats – Three Times
Runs – Eight Times (Led league in 1983 & 1987)
Hits – Six Times
Total Bases – Four Times
Doubles – Three Times (Led league in 1984)
Triples – Nine Times
Walks – Six Times
Intentional Walks – Four Times
Stolen Base – Eleven Times (Led league in ‘81, ‘82, ‘83 & ‘84)

Hall of Fame Yardsticks
Black Ink: Batting – 20 (105) (Average HOFer ≈ 27)
Gray Ink: Batting – 114 (178) (Average HOFer ≈ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting – 46.6 (93) (Average HOFer ≈ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting – 89.5 (177) (Likely HOFer > 100)

Lester’s Take
Rock Raines had the misfortune of playing in the shadow of Rickey Henderson.  While he isn’t in the same category as Rickey, he was an amazing leadoff man.  He achieved one of the thresholds (1500 runs) that I feel virtually gain you automatic entry to the Hall of Fame.  The majority of players that have crossed that threshold are either in, will evenutally be in, or are ineligible (Pete Rose).  Not to mention he was one of the most prolific base stealers in the history of the game.  He had six 100 run season (one of 133), seven consecutive 70+ stolen base seasons, 40+ steals in 11 years of a 12 year stretch.  An impressive stat to me is the number of times he was intentionally walked.  He’s 44th of all-time with 48 IBBs.  He must have been feared as a hitter to intentionally put him on 1st knowing you probably just gave away two or three bases in the process given his ability to swip bases.  He also had eight straight years with at least 7 triples, and he managed to win a World Series ring with the Yankees.  Not only did he play in the shadows of Rickey Henderson, he had the misfortune of playing his best seasons in Montreal.  He was one of the best in the game for a long time.  For that I feel he earned a spot in Cooperstown.

Rotoprofessor’s Take
When I look at the career of Tim Raines, to me it is no a brainer that he does not belong in the Hall of Fame. To be enshrined, you should be a dominant player of your generation, not someone who stuck around for 23 seasons and compiled some impressive career statistics. Don’t get me wrong, Raines was a very good, if not great, lead off hitter who had a ton of speed. He had 808 career stolen bases, but more then half, 454 to be exact, of which came in a 6-year period from 1981-1986. That means in his other 17 seasons playing in the major leagues, he had just 354 stolen bases, hardly that impressive. He scored a ton of runs, but had just six seasons where he eclipsed the 100 mark. Brett Butler, a player who I think we would all agree is not worthy of being inducted into the Hall of Fame, had the same six seasons scoring 100 runs. He was a good hitter, but his career average was under .300. Maybe it was the shadow of Ricky Henderson that hurts Raines’ candidacy, but even with the SB’s his numbers just don’t scream elite player. He had some very good seasons, but he never truly dominated the league. To me, it is possible for a player to stick around too long and ruin the reputation he could have had. People don’t remember the great player that you were, instead the player who just sat on the bench as a reserve, trying to hold onto the game for as long as possible. I know I said last week that if a player was a dominant force of his time, the rest didn’t matter. I still think that applies. To me, however, Raines just wasn’t the dominating force. He was a great player who was one of the elite stolen bases artists, but that was about all he brought to the table. Good elsewhere, but not great, and that doesn’t get you my vote.

There you have it folks.  Feel free to weigh in and take a side.

Previous Hall of Fame Debates
Mark McGwire

Since my wife will give birth to our second child any day now, I figured I’d post some oldies but goodies from my Sporting News vault.  This is a spoof so I hope nobody takes offense.


Welcome back to TSN Cribs, the show where we take you inside the homes of famous athletes and sports personalities. We have a special treat for you today as we take a tour of Pete Ro$e’s estate. Without further ado, let’s check out how baseball’s all-time hits leader is livin’.

Pete Ro$e cares a lot about security. Check out this automated gate to let you on his property. “PLEASE DEPOSIT $5.00″ squawks the gate’s computer system. “PLEASE DEPOSIT $5.00″. Not wanting the show to be over before it starts, our driver feeds the meter. “THANK YOU. PROCEED.” As we pull up the driveway Pete Ro$e opens the door and comes out to greet us. “Thanks for coming. Before we get started we need to take care of one minor detail. That will be $10.00 to park” Ro$e says. Again not wanting the show to be over, we fork over the cash. “Take a step into my foyer. If you want, you can put your jacket in my coat check. It’s only $2.00.” As you look around you can’t help but notice all of the baseball memorablia on the wall. There are portraits of Ro$e on his various teams, as well as authentic jerseys. I mention to Ro$e how much I love the powder blue Phillies jersey. “You want that”. I look at Ro$e with a puzzled look. “Seriously, you want that. I can hook you up. Since you’re doing this piece on my, I can sell it to you for $150. $200 if you want me to autograph it. It’s a real good deal.” OK, moving on to the kitchen.

“As you can see I like everything modern in my kitchen. I love stainless steel appliances. Check the fridge. Grab a Budweiser if you want. It’s only $1.00.” The phone rings. “Hello, this is Pete. What’s that? four and a half and 42. Put me down for twenty large on the Patriots and give me the over.” Pete hangs up the phone. “Sorry about that. You can edit that part out right.” Moving on to the den.

“This is my man’s room. I love to watch sports in here. I have 15 TVs. I tried to make this resemble a Vegas Sports Book as best as I can. You never know which game your guests want to watch. I keep a lot of my old sports memorabilia in here. Feel free to check it out. I have baseball cards, autographs, uniforms, etc. I’ll even give you a 15% discount since I like you.” The pool table in Ro$e’s man room is sweet. It has a huge Reds logo on it. “You want to shoot some pool? I’ve got a couple of Benjamins that say I can beat you.”

“Let’s take a look out back” says Ro$e. “I had a baseball field put in back here. I still very much love this game. About once a month a few of the old cats come over and we go at it. I invite the neighbors over to watch, and I only charge them $40. Over there is my den. That’s where I host all kinds of events, mostly cockfights and dogfights. You can make a lot of money on this, if you know what to look for.” Just like on the Dan Patrick Show, Pete doesn’t know when to shut his mouth.

Well, now that Ro$e has incriminated himself, what better time to wrap things up. Thanks for watching TSN Cribs, and look for Pete Ro$e on the next episode of Cops.

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John Madden
Dick Vitale 


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